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Children and Young People Committee |
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Committee Room 1 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Wednesday, 14 November 2012 |
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Meeting time: |
09:31 - 12:00 |
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Concise Minutes: |
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Assembly Members: |
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Christine Chapman (Chair) Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Witnesses: |
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Leighton Andrews, Minister for Education and Skills Anthony Jordan, Welsh Government Simon Morea, Welsh Government Ceri Planchant, Welsh Government |
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Committee Staff: |
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Elizabeth Wilkinson (Clerk) Kath Thomas (Deputy Clerk) Sarah Sargent (Deputy Clerk) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Advisor) |
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1. Introductions, apologies and substitutions
1.1 There were no apologies or substitutions.
1.2 The Chair welcomed the Minister for Education and Skills and his officials to the meeting.
2. School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of Amendments
2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:
Section 1:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 1 was deemed agreed.
Section 2:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 2 was deemed agreed.
Section 3:
Amendment 1 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 177 – Angela Burns
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Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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8 |
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Amendment 177 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 2 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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8 |
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Amendment 2 was agreed. |
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Amendment 178– Angela Burns
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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8 |
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Amendment 178 was not agreed. |
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Section 4:
Amendment 3 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 4 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
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Amendment 4 was agreed. |
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Section 5:
Amendment 5 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 6:
Amendment 6 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 7:
Amendment 7 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 179– Angela Burns
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Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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8 |
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Amendment 179 was not agreed. |
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Section 8:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 8 was deemed agreed.
Section 9:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 9 was deemed agreed.
Section 10:
Amendments 8 and 9 (Leighton Andrews) were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 11:
Amendments 10 and 11 (Leighton Andrews) were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 12:
Amendment 12 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 13:
Amendment 13 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 180 (Angela Burns) was not moved
Section 14:
Amendment 14 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 15:
Amendment 15 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 16:
Amendment 16 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 17:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 17 was deemed agreed.
Section 18:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 18 was deemed agreed.
Section 19:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 19 was deemed agreed.
Section 20:
Amendment 140– Aled Roberts
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii). Therefore amendment 140 was not agreed. |
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Section 21:
Amendment 141– Aled Roberts
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii). Therefore amendment 141 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 141 was not agreed, Amendments 142 and 143 (Aled Roberts) fell.
Section 22:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 22 was deemed agreed.
Section 23:
Amendment 181– Angela Burns
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii). Therefore amendment 181 was not agreed. |
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Section 24:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 24 was deemed agreed.
Section 25:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 25 was deemed agreed.
Section 26:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 26 was deemed agreed.
Section 27:
Amendment 144 – Aled Roberts
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For |
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Abstain |
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Suzy Davies Angela Burns Aled Roberts
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Jocelyn Davies Simon Thomas
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Amendment 144 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 182 – Angela Burns
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For |
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Abstain |
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Suzy Davies Angela Burns
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Jocelyn Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Amendment 182 was not agreed. |
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Section 28:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 28 was deemed agreed.
Section 29:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 29 was deemed agreed.
Section 30:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 30 was deemed agreed.
Section 31:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 31 was deemed agreed.
Section 32:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 32 was deemed agreed.
Section 33:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 33 was deemed agreed.
Section 34:
Amendment 17 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 35:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 35 was deemed agreed.
Section 36:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 36 was deemed agreed.
Section 37:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 37 was deemed agreed.
Section 38:
Amendment 157 – Simon Thomas
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jocelyn Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Angela Burns Christine Chapman Suzy Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Amendment 157 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 145– Aled Roberts
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Angela Burns Jocelyn Davies Suzy Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii). Therefore amendment 145 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 158 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Section 39:
Amendment 18 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 40:
Amendment 19 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 19 was agreed. |
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As Amendment 19 was agreed, Amendment 183 (Angela Burns) fell.
Amendment 20 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 20 was agreed. |
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Section 41:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 41 was deemed agreed.
Section 42:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 42 was deemed agreed.
Section 43:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 43 was deemed agreed.
Section 44:
Amendment 21 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 21 was agreed. |
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Amendment 22 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 22 was agreed. |
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Section 45:
Amendment 23 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 23 was agreed. |
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Amendment 24 – Leighton Andrews
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Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies |
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Amendment 24 was agreed. |
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Amendment 25 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 25 was agreed. |
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Amendment 26 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 26 was agreed. |
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Amendment 27 – Leighton Andrews
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For |
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 27 was agreed. |
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Section 46:
Amendment 28 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 47:
Amendment 29 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 29 was agreed. |
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Amendment 30 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 30 was agreed. |
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Section 48:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 48 was deemed agreed.
Section 49:
Amendment 184 (Angela Burns) was not moved.
Section 50:
Amendment 31 – Leighton Andrews
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Against |
Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 31 was agreed. |
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Section 51:
Amendment 185 (Angela Burns) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 32 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 186 (Angela Burns) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Section 52:
Amendment 33 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 187 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 187 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 187 was not agreed, Amendment 188 (Angela Burns) fell.
Section 53:
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 159 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Amendment 146 – Aled Roberts
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For |
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies Aled Roberts
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Jocelyn Davies Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Simon Thomas
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Amendment 146 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 147 (Aled Roberts) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 160 (Simon Thomas) fell.
As Amendment 146 was not agreed, Amendment 148 (Aled Roberts) fell.
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 161 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Amendment 189 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Jocelyn Davies Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Amendment 189 was not agreed. |
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As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 162 andAmendment 163 (Simon Thomas) fell.
As Amendment 189 was not agreed, Amendment 190 (Angela Burns) fell.
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 164, Amendment 165 and Amendment 166 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Section 54:
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 167 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Amendment 34 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 168, Amendment 169 and Amendment 170 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Section 55:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 55 was deemed agreed.
Section 56:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 56 was deemed agreed.
New section:
Amendment 149 (Aled Roberts) was not moved.
Section 57:
Amendment 35 (Leighton Andrews) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
As Amendment 157 was not agreed, Amendment 171 (Simon Thomas) fell.
Section 58:
Amendment 36 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 36 was agreed. |
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Amendment 37 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 37 was agreed. |
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Amendments 38 to 41– Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendments 38 to 41 were agreed. |
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Amendment 191 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Jocelyn Davies Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
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Amendment 191 was not agreed. |
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Section 59:
Amendments 42 to 44 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 42 was agreed. |
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Section 60:
Amendments 45 to 48 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendments 45 to 48 were agreed. |
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Amendment 192 – Angela Burns
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies Aled Roberts
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Jocelyn Davies Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Simon Thomas
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Amendment 192 was not agreed. |
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Section 61:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 61 was deemed agreed.
Section 62:
Amendment 49 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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0 |
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Amendment 49 was agreed. |
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Amendment 50 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 50 was agreed. |
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Section 63:
Amendment 193 – Angela Burns
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For |
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Abstain |
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Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Christine Chapman Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone
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Jocelyn Davies Aled Roberts Simon Thomas
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Amendment 193 was not agreed. |
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Section 64:
Amendment 51 – Leighton Andrews
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Abstain |
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Christine Chapman Jocelyn Davies Rebecca Evans Julie Morgan Lynne Neagle Jenny Rathbone Aled Roberts Simon Thomas |
Angela Burns Suzy Davies
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Amendment 51 was agreed. |
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2.2 Sections 1 – 64 were deemed agreed. The Chair advised that a second meeting to complete Stage 2 proceedings will be held on Wednesday 28 November and that Members may table further amendments to the remaining sections and schedules of the Bill i.e. sections 65 – 102 and schedules 1 – 6, by 6pm on Wednesday 21 November.
3. Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting on Thursday 22 November for the following business:
3.1 The Motion was agreed.